This is a partial log of the #phpgroupware IRC channel from Thursday 25th April 2002. You can access the #phpgroupware IRC channel on the irc.openprojects.net IRC server on port 6667.
<t3rmin4t0r> hi <t3rmin4t0r> seem a long time since I hit this channel <ajmitch> yeah, same <ajmitch> i'm in here to worship dtm & fixe :) <t3rmin4t0r> :) <ajmitch> see my mail to the dotgnu list? <t3rmin4t0r> nope, what ? <Seek3r> dtm? <ajmitch> just about GNUe stuff <ajmitch> hi Seek3r <ajmitch> how's things? <t3rmin4t0r> hi Seek3r, how's stuff ? <Seek3r> always busy <t3rmin4t0r> :) <ajmitch> t3rmin4t0r: think we should try get more discussions between dotgnu, gnue, and phpgw? :) <t3rmin4t0r> yes we need to get more stuff b/w each other <ajmitch> yeah, that's what i posted about earlier <ajmitch> it's useful that dyfet is a gnue person as well :) <t3rmin4t0r> Seek3r: it's a long tiem since you said anything on dotgnu ideas <t3rmin4t0r> or is it just that DotGNU comes out in the open as Pnet ? <Seek3r> just been busy <Seek3r> dotgnu is important <t3rmin4t0r> yeah, I know ... but the absence of the phpgw comments on developer@dotgnu has been bugging me <Seek3r> only have so much time in a day. sorry about that <t3rmin4t0r> ie for aan outsider, phpgw might be the something else <ajmitch> what do you think of a list for discussing cooperation between projects? cos i know that gnue & dotgnu could share a lot, but don't speak much :) <t3rmin4t0r> get someone to post some stuff , about how phpgw does XMLRPC,SOAP.... <t3rmin4t0r> whenever the whole webservice coems up <dtm> Seek3r: hi there <ajmitch> bbl all :) <dtm> does phpgw have an official dotgnu liason? if not, do t3rmin4t0r or ajmitch wish to be that? <ajmitch> hmm, i don't know enough about phpgw at the moment <t3rmin4t0r> dtm: you asked da the question ! <dtm> ajmitch: that can be alleviated :) <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: NO <dtm> :) <dtm> you guys are the coders! not me! sorry! <dtm> that's definately a coder's domain :> <Seek3r> I will be the dotgnu liason as I get seperated from Foundstone soon <ajmitch> ok * ajmitch actually leaves now :) <t3rmin4t0r> afaik, phpgw is part of dotgnu right ? <dtm> Seek3r: haven't seen you here in a long time; hope you're doin ok! <t3rmin4t0r> Seek3r: I guess that you're the only guys who can finish off the "DotGNU vs Mono" issues :) <Seek3r> dtm: doing fine. but I was a bit burnt out and got swamped at work * t3rmin4t0r gets reminded of his exams ...... <dtm> Seek3r: yeah i hear ya <dtm> Seek3r: so are you still primarily involved with your consulting business? <Seek3r> no. I work at Foundstone + consulting <dtm> Seek3r: i lightly shelved my IT consulting and started a new business doing teleconferencing and transcription, http://ambcomm.com <dtm> Seek3r: url? <Seek3r> www.foundstone.com <dtm> Seek3r: and i graduated the SBDC's entrepreneurial training course :) <t3rmin4t0r> what's all this stuff ? * t3rmin4t0r hasn't got out of his room for some time <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: what stuff? <t3rmin4t0r> SDBC ? <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: small business development center, largely funded by the SBA (small business administration, a major federal dept) <dtm> you should find your local one if you've got an entrepreneurial bone in your body :) <dtm> they'll save your butt0x <t3rmin4t0r> nope, got some funny bones as well as some gray cells in the dome <dtm> oooooh. <t3rmin4t0r> dtm: BTW , I'm not anywhere near US or Europe <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: cool <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: then that counts you out of the party. more for me! ;> <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: where do you work? <t3rmin4t0r> work ? I'm a student <t3rmin4t0r> in India :) --- fixe is now known as fixe-away --- samokk-dodo is now known as samokk <t3rmin4t0r> dtm: so what do you do in phpgw (just lurking like me ?) <t3rmin4t0r> hmm... --- t3rmin4t0r is now known as t3rmin4t0r_lunch <dtm> t3rmin4t0r_lunch: i'm starting to really learn and document it, and use it in my personal and business life <t3rmin4t0r_lunch> ok * t3rmin4t0r_lunch types with left hand.... <dtm> heh <dtm> whatcha eatin'? <t3rmin4t0r_lunch> rice as usual ;) * dtm asks single-handed questions <dtm> oh heh <dtm> i eat a lot of Ramen noodles <t3rmin4t0r_lunch> on the other hand.......... <dtm> are you familiar with that? <t3rmin4t0r_lunch> yup, get it sometimes.. <t3rmin4t0r_lunch> but as I'm a veggie , I prefer the traditional stuf.. <dtm> wow it's universal :) <dtm> i see <dtm> cool <dtm> do you find that vegetarianism improves your health automatically? <t3rmin4t0r_lunch> never tried meat/fish yet <dtm> eh? <dtm> are you saying you've never eaten meat? <t3rmin4t0r_lunch> yup <dtm> *wow* <dtm> you're the first person i have ever met who i know can say that. <dtm> first person i've ever heard of. <dtm> amazing <dtm> i bet you eat a LOT of rice :) * dtm hax0rs some Ramen * t3rmin4t0r_lunch digs deep into the rce <t3rmin4t0r_lunch> anyway, I'm Portable.NET C# lib lead developer AT LARGE=20 <t3rmin4t0r_lunch> have got a patch to commit.... <dtm> hmmmmm <t3rmin4t0r_lunch> bb in a sec <dtm> i dont know what Portable.NET is <t3rmin4t0r_lunch> the dotgnu stuff, I'm stuck knee deep in * t3rmin4t0r_lunch finishes gulping down rice <dtm> i see <dtm> so dotgnu names its stuff in M$ nomenclature then? --- t3rmin4t0r_lunch is now known as t3rmin4t0r <t3rmin4t0r> the "dot"GNU is a pass at .NET :) <dtm> yeah i gotcha :) <dtm> i was there when it was formed but that's about all i know <dtm> i was in the freedevelopers.net mailing list and in irc at that moment <t3rmin4t0r> Ok <dtm> so i dont know much <dtm> that was when i met chillywilly, mainly in terms of getting him to stop antagonizing everyone in the channel ;) <dtm> and now he's my bestest buddy <t3rmin4t0r> chillywilly has called me a l33t h4x0r more than once :) <dtm> hah <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: does dotgnu focus on any form of distributed reputation? <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: or is it just on distributed anonymous authentication? <t3rmin4t0r> all sorts of stuff , it's typically ambigous <t3rmin4t0r> just like .NET is :) <t3rmin4t0r> we're tackling Passport , C#, COM+ , "Webservices" etc... <t3rmin4t0r> phpgw is the Webservices part <t3rmin4t0r> in addition to stuff like jabber-rpc (which is in the process of adoption) --> irzyxel (irz@213.70.43.252) has joined #phpgroupware <dtm> i see <dtm> oh really <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: so is there someone on the dotgnu team who thoroughly understands phpgw's engineering? <t3rmin4t0r> Seek3r was on the dotgnu list for some time , as was Jengo <Seek3r> dtm, yes I will be back again soon. maybe 2 more weeks <t3rmin4t0r> also we've had skeeter during the IRC meet-a-thon last month <dtm> Seek3r: cool, good to see ya <dtm> Seek3r: i dont know if you knew this, but i wrote to jehreg recently and he said he dropped out because he took a fulltime job. :/ <dtm> Seek3r: fyi <Seek3r> I know <dtm> ok <dtm> says he's doing ok though, so that's what i needed to know :) <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: cool * t3rmin4t0r slaps t3rmin4t0r around a bit with Tux, the Linux Penguin <t3rmin4t0r> oops <t3rmin4t0r> dtm: this blasted irc client has gots menus everywhere <t3rmin4t0r> I click on one and it slaps me ! <dtm> heh!! <dtm> well.. it _is_ called "Bersirc" ;) * t3rmin4t0r misses Xchat :( <dtm> so that is to be expected ;) <dtm> i have xhcat <t3rmin4t0r> yup it went Berserk :) <dtm> why not use xchat * t3rmin4t0r in father's office to save on phone bills <dtm> uh huh <dtm> so what's the problem? <dtm> xchat is available for almost any platform <t3rmin4t0r> no administrator access <dtm> you need that to install an app? <dtm> what OS is this <-- t3rmin4t0r has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) --> t3rmin4t0r (~gopalv82@210.212.236.129) has joined #phpgroupware <-- t3rmin4t0r has quit (Client Quit) --> t3rmin4t0r (~somebody@210.212.236.129) has joined #phpgroupware * t3rmin4t0r gets xchat --> ttyp0 (~bogs@213-96-40-188.uc.nombres.ttd.es) has joined #phpgroupware <ttyp0> hiya <ttyp0> i have som problems setting up my phpgroupware, and need urgent help <ttyp0> please <ttyp0> :-( <ttyp0> i've tried everything <ttyp0> but my fileserver, my forums, my ftp and my chat doesn't work <ttyp0> appart of that, email doen's seem to support POP-3 servers <ttyp0> only works with IMAP <ttyp0> and I tell it to work under POP3 server <ttyp0> but it laughs about me <ttyp0> x-( <ttyp0> anyone can help me for a moment please? * t3rmin4t0r is just a lurker .... <t3rmin4t0r> could ya , please explain the php version , pop server name/version and any useful info ? <t3rmin4t0r> it's not like I can help, but I might get a lucky guess :) <ttyp0> ahahahaha <ttyp0> ok <ttyp0> :-) <ttyp0> phpgroupware is 0.9.12 <ttyp0> i didn't know about 0.9.14 version <ttyp0> the download site is a little difficult to understand <ttyp0> :-) <ttyp0> php version is default in slackware 8.0, i dont know what it is <ttyp0> 4.0.5 i think * t3rmin4t0r marks php4 <ttyp0> mmmmmm <ttyp0> pop server version... <ttyp0> wait <ttyp0> pop server is pop3d <ttyp0> but i don't know version number <ttyp0> default in slackware 8.0 <dtm> ttyp0: you need to promptly discard phpgw 0.9.12 and get 0.9.14 RC3 <dtm> ttyp0: see http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/phpgroupware <t3rmin4t0r> :) <ttyp0> yes <ttyp0> is what i'm doing rightnow <ttyp0> thx for all <ttyp0> :-) --> somebody_ (~somebody@210.212.236.129) has joined #phpgroupware <dtm> Destroy Robinson Family^W^Wphpgw 0.9.12!! <ttyp0> i'll try it <-- t3rmin4t0r has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) <dtm> ttyp0: and use the email app known as felamimail <dtm> ttyp0: and upgrade from pop3 to imap and dont look back <ttyp0> hahahahah <ttyp0> this is what i'd like --- somebody_ is now known as t3rmin4t0r <ttyp0> but i have no time to do all things <dtm> ttyp0: true :/ sorry <ttyp0> so i must go slowly <dtm> hey you should find someone who does have time to do everything in the world, and ask them to do it :/ <dtm> send them my email address too <dtm> we'll hook up <Milosch> they do exist, they are called employees <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: know anyone good and omnipotent? <dtm> Milosch: lol <ttyp0> Milosch: i'm trying phpgroupware for me, at home, not at work <Milosch> and? :) <ttyp0> and i cannot get employees <Milosch> hmmm <Milosch> they do exist, they are called pets? <dtm> ttyp0: you could pay someone to work at your house! and there are other methods of reinforcement, both positive and negative <t3rmin4t0r> dtm: yup , someone name Rhys Weatherly :) <dtm> ttyp0: blackmail, entrapment, innuendo, awe-inspiration, and backrubs <dtm> these are all tools used by the wily phpgw admin. <dtm> Tricks of the trade, my friend! <ttyp0> i'm working as sysadmin during the morning, after that i go to university till 9:00 and after that i have to go home and have dinner. After that i usually go in front of my computer, and stay there for hours and hours... but i have thousands of things to do for school and work, so i cannot make all changes dtm said in one only day <ttyp0> i'm sorry if i'm not leet... <ttyp0> thanx for all <dtm> ttyp0: :) * ttyp0 is away: working <dtm> ttyp0: well if you can do all that then you're leet <dtm> ttyp0: good luck buddy <ajmitch> alrighty then <t3rmin4t0r> ajmitch: y're back ! <ajmitch> i is back! <ajmitch> t3rmin4t0r: we gotta sorta out where some of these gnu projects overlap :) <ajmitch> since i can see gnue stuff could be useful in the backend of webservices, rpc, etc <t3rmin4t0r> is it possible to conduct a group IRC meet on this (coz , it isn't U or me decidinh it) <ajmitch> yes, it shoudl be <t3rmin4t0r> I saw the gnue stuff, but haven't got it out (due to bandwidth woes) <ajmitch> i saw dyfet (GNUe person & DotGNU lead dude) on irc the other day <t3rmin4t0r> ok , 'the connection' ? <ajmitch> yeah, he's the GNU Bayonne maintainer (which is part of GNUe :) <t3rmin4t0r> and he wrote the stub for the SEE which we aren't using :) <ajmitch> norbert & barry also know how i feel about this, i'll try & get hold of them too <ajmitch> yep <ajmitch> i haven't seen nb or fitzix around for awhile, tho <ajmitch> i guess it'd mainly be chillywilly, derek, & i representing GNUe (plus dtm if he wants to tag along :) <ajmitch> not sure who'd be on the dotgnu team <t3rmin4t0r> nb has been awfully busy these days (or so he says) <ajmitch> yeah, i can understand that <t3rmin4t0r> the rest of coreteam ? <ajmitch> i guess it'd be the webservices people & other interested dotgnu members <ajmitch> yeah, if you can get hold of them :) <ajmitch> arun is on coreteam, right? <t3rmin4t0r> yes <ajmitch> myrddian was on irc the other day (missed him by 15min or so :( ) <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: i conducted and documented the original meeting between DCL, phpgw, and gnue http://home.smuckola.org/phpgw_gnue_interoperability.html <ajmitch> and i don't think rhys cares too much - it's not really his area <t3rmin4t0r> myrddian is alive ! (LOL) <ttyp0> help! <ajmitch> ah, cool bananas dtm! <ttyp0> on 0.9.14 version <ttyp0> on login.php <ttyp0> i get this error message <ttyp0> Warning: Unable to load dynamic library './xml.so' - ./xml.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in /assl/sites/outty/html/phpgwapi/inc/xml_functions.inc.php on line 32 <ttyp0> what about it? <ajmitch> mmm useful, what OS is this on? <Milosch> ttypo: ok, you can comment that out <ttyp0> Slackware Linux 8.0 <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: it was relatively brief and inconclusive except that for the ideas that phpgw should be ported to gnue, and/or phpgw should work alongside gnue via something like xmlrpc/soap. <Milosch> ttyp0: the problem is not being able to trap that call, thank php <ajmitch> dtm: there was meant to be agreement on a common gnurpc lib <dtm> ttyp0: which exact version of 0.9.14 did you get? where'd you get it? <dtm> ajmitch: ok <ttyp0> i got it from phpgroupware.org <ajmitch> dtm: dude, i cannae resolve home.smuckola.org <ttyp0> and version is 0.9.14 RC3 <dtm> ttyp0: ok <Milosch> ttypo: comment that line <dtm> ajmitch: :-/ <Milosch> dtm: he would see it on every page, if he could get that far <ttyp0> Milosch: i'll do <ttyp0> let's try.... <dtm> ok <Milosch> ttyp0: too bad you do not have xml, but... <ajmitch> dtm: got an ip for me to look at that page on? <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: but furthermore, gnue intends to at least create its own core groupware=20 <ajmitch> dtm: ya sure? <t3rmin4t0r> dtm: will it be over HTTP ? <t3rmin4t0r> or like M$ Exchange ? <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: because gnue's architecture is apparently highly robust and complete, because they have much higher level enterprise needs than phpgw's current workgroup-oriented target, and because phpgw is tied to implementation specifics such as php <dtm> ajmitch: yeah <dtm> ajmitch: according to mdean and derek <ajmitch> damn, we need to get this crap sorted out before everyone goes off in their own incompatible direction :) <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: gnue has, or intends to have, a UI-independant driver system <dtm> ajmitch: yeah no kidding, but i believe mdean and derek will do so <ajmitch> yeah <dtm> ajmitch: but what you're doing right now is a good effort <dtm> this is needed apparently <dtm> :) <ajmitch> it's like herding cats <dtm> conjuring ideas <dtm> ajmitch: ohhhhh not *nearly* as bad as it could be! <ajmitch> thankfully <dtm> ajmitch: it's not like herding cats because these guys are willing and able to be herded <t3rmin4t0r> yeah , these are only 0.9 kittens now * ajmitch praises the Lord <dtm> ajmitch: it's more like herding dogs :) <ajmitch> get in behind, ya mangy mongrel!! <dtm> ajmitch: at least we have mdean and derek at the helm, who are senior enterprise deployers <dtm> ajmitch: they'll crack some heads whenever they feel like it <ajmitch> yes, and thankfully easy to get along with (ie, don't have big egos :) <dtm> ajmitch: i've been slightly facilitating dialogue between them and i'm gonna hafta suggest a meeting <dtm> ajmitch: true gentlemen, they are <ajmitch> excellent <ajmitch> you've been doing most of what i've been whinging about then :) <dtm> well i've been touching on it <dtm> i actually tried getting mdean on the phone this weekend but he moved :) <dtm> dont have his number <ajmitch> hehe <dtm> he's been offline heavily <t3rmin4t0r> so how should thsi reflect in dotgnu & phpgw ? <dtm> he reset his life priorities <dtm> t3rmin4t0r: dont know about dotgnu; i'm way out of that loop <ajmitch> we shoudl try & talk about this in the gnue channel so that psu can log it for KC :) <dtm> ajmitch: oh yeah <ajmitch> i'm not involved in dotgnu much but still keep in contact <dtm> one of you guys paste this in there, please, or email it to him <ajmitch> yeah, will try to * dtm switches to #gnuenterprise for logging purpose, and invites all interested parties to join <t3rmin4t0r> and avoid filling #phpgroupware <ajmitch> :)