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<btami> good morning
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<psu> hi all, reinhard
<reinhard> hi psu
<psu> did you have a good time at fosdem?
<reinhard> an excellent
<psu> good
<reinhard> it's really fascinating how many people meet there
<psu> yes. I saw an interview on groklaw
<psu> with one of the firefox leaders
<psu> s/firefox/netscape
<psu> saying it was a good opportunity to buy a beer
<psu> for everyone whose patches he had rejected ;-)
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<psu> reinhard: I wanted to talk to you at some point about your latest version of financials
<psu> (which I shamefully can't remember the name of)
<psu> but it doesn't have to be now
<psu> as I appreciate it's almost 10 pm for you
<reinhard> *sigh*
<reinhard> you are talking about the "latest" version which means the version of some 3 years ago :(
<psu> ah
<reinhard> nothing even close to usable
<reinhard> currently you could barely consider it a proof of concept
<psu> i know we had a schema for gnue-sb which we forked from nola/acclite
<reinhard> yep
<psu> but I thought that you had restarted with something new?
<reinhard> AFAICT meanwhile all gnue-sb, nola, and acclite are defunct
<reinhard> I started something completely new
<reinhard> all others were based on 2-tier
<psu> nola has gone non-free in license, still free as in beer i believe
<psu> no sign of activity on nola
<reinhard> ouch
<reinhard> so defunct *and* nonfree
<psu> s/nola/acclite
<reinhard> ah ok
<reinhard> so one defunct, the other nonfree :)
<psu> of course, usefully acclite's sourceforge site is still up, so if anyone wanted to
<reinhard> maybe I should really look at the schema
<psu> they could re-fork from, in effect, the last free version of nola
<reinhard> at least to get the input
<reinhard> however
<psu> but, as you say, all of these (gnue-sb, nola, acclite)
<psu> are two-tier
<reinhard> I doubt it would even run with a decently current version of forms
<reinhard> they were built on 0.3 or 0.4 IIRC
<reinhard> we're at 0.6 now and *some* years later
<psu> i may be underselling what derek and jcater did, but I don't think they ever did an extensive set of gfds for the nola/acclite schema
<psu> just a few gfds for "more interesting" tables
<psu> but yes, they would have been 0.3/0.4 gfds
<psu> and part of the reason we keep the version number below 1.0
<psu> is to give ourselves permission to break backwards compatability
<reinhard> yep
<reinhard> and we make use of that quite freely :)
<reinhard> FWIW
<reinhard> I really *want* to do a simple accounting package
<reinhard> but I keep saying that for years now and get nothing done :(
<jcater> psu: probably a fair enough assessment
<jcater> probably more than fair :)
* psu knew we might be able to drag jcater in if we namechecked him enough ;-)
<psu> in some ways, we can start small
<psu> even just doing a General Ledger is useful
<psu> as it can be used for (e.g.) financial data warehousing
<psu> Once you've added a Purchase Ledger / Accounts Payable, however basic
<psu> you've got something that's usable as a "real" finance system
<psu> for non-trivial values of "real"
<reinhard> I was recently considering building something useful for nonprofits
<psu> yes
<psu> this is why you can get away without a Sales Ledger / Accounts Receivable
<psu> at least to start with
<reinhard> well
<psu> as most non-profits are expense-driven rather than revenue-driven
<reinhard> especially for them it might be important to keep track of membership fees
<reinhard> so we might have a membership management as a side module
<psu> yes
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<reinhard> but then again most non-profits do income/expense accounting and not double accounting
<reinhard> so no a/p and no a/r
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* psu did full accruals accounting when he was church treasurer
<psu> but then, I am an accountancy geek as well as a computer geek
<jcater> fwiw, I'm stretched far too thin to commit time, so I'm going to stay out of the conversation
<reinhard> I actually even haven't the slightest idea how (if at all) british accounting differs from continental accounting
<psu> i think basic principles are the same
<psu> and we both have to account for vat
<psu> unlike those sales-tax dominated americans
<psu> jcater: np
<reinhard> do you also have the system that all companies use (more or less) the same account numbering scheme?
<psu> not really - i think that's a german peculiarity
<psu> Well maybe
<psu> For instance, in local government, we all have to use the same major headings
<reinhard> hmmm
<psu> but the actual account numbers can be anything
<derek> psu jcater converted pretty much the entire schema to somethign reasonable
<reinhard> I seem to remember you have some kind of multi level account number system?
<derek> i created gfds for all the management tables
<reinhard> derek!
<reinhard> he's alive!
<reinhard> :)
<psu> derek: ah, so I was selling you short, then.
<psu> reinhard: most of my detailed accountancy experience is local government, or other public sector
<psu> what little commercial i've seen is "similar but different" if you know what i mean
<psu> sort of like seeing a beautiful python module converted into ugly perl
<reinhard> lol
* psu realises that the words "beautiful" and "ugly" are both not really required in that sentance
* psu could probably have a go at doing some basic stuff for a three-tier financials 
<psu> but i'd need to get my head around appserver (not a problem)
<psu> main issue is whether we think the gnue-sb/nola/acclite schemas are useful
<psu> (even if just to get started)
<reinhard> you can of course also look at gnue-luca
<psu> or whether we start with a blank sheet of paper
<reinhard> and tell me what you think about *that* schema
<reinhard> svn+ssh://svn.gnuenterprise.org/var/svn/gnue-luca/trunk
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<psu> I will do that
<psu> not visible via the web svn interface/
<psu> s///?
<psu> doh - just spotted the pull-down list
<psu> luca looks two tier as well?
* psu needs to go away and look at what has already been done 
<psu> for both gnue-sb and luca
<reinhard> luca is 3-tier
<psu> reinhard: thanks
<psu> i will have a look and report back
<psu> night all
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<reinhard> good night everybody
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